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Continuing the appeal
against the building project
in Lensdorf,

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where according to the claimant,
there is a mass grave in which
some 200 Jews are buried.

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How many excavations were
conducted in the area?

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Twenty-one.

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And nothing has been found?

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The area in question
has been excavated,

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but the mass grave
has yet to be found.

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It'’s a very large area,
it'’s hard to cover
so much ground.

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- Yes, appendix 32.

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In one testimony, a woman
claims that she

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heard Jews screaming
in front of her window.
In this area.

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Another one claimed that he saw
a, uh, truck, carrying Jews stop
in this area here.

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Perhaps the historian would like
to tell us where he wants
construction halted.

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In this area, or in that, or,
perhaps the entire town.

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We ask that the freeze on the
construction remains in effect

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until the grave is found.

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With all due respect,
this town needs to grow,

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and we have to step
into the future
and not linger in the past.

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The victims should not pay
for our inability to find
the grave so far.

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And so shouldn'’t the
citizens of our town.

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If it is not stopped,
the entire area will be
covered with cement,

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and the graves
will never be found.

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Sir, the Austrian Ministry
of Interior doesn'’t have
the authority

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to delay the
development any longer.

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If new evidence comes to light
within the next seven days,

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we'’ll be happy to examine it.

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No appeal will be
accepted after that time.

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I'’ll speak to you in German,
and you can answer me
in English, OK?

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In that case,
I'’ll answer in Hebrew.

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I would like to open
our second session

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on the matter of the
development in Lensdorf.

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Thank you.

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We'’ve received no new evidence?

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That'’s correct.

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I understand you'’re
negotiating an agreement.

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Yes, we are.

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We believe we have
the new evidence.

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Is this an assumption or a fact?

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Fact.

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And why haven'’t you
submitted it?

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These are classified
testimonies.

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We need to work it out
with the survivors.

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This is unacceptable, sir.

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You can'’t keep us waiting
if you haven'’t submitted
any new evidence.

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Yoel...

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We would like to reexamine
our agreement,

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since we got some new facts.

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According to the law,
you don'’t have the authority

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to require
an immediate submission
of the classified documents.

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Even if acting under
the Hague Convention,

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you must submit
a special request
to see classified documents.

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When will you submit
all the new evidence?

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In two weeks.

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Are you aware of the fact that
if it turns out that you do not

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have the required evidence,

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the other party'’s
entitled to press charges?

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We cannot accept...

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Yes...

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I give you one week
to submit all new evidence.

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This meeting is adjourned.

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Hello?

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-Mr. Burm?
-Yes?

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I'’m Simon Falcon'’s daughter.

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You know him?

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Um... no.

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I saw you in
my father'’s funeral. Remember?

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No.

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Mr. Burm, you are
the only person that
knew him from the war.

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Can I ask you a question?

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What do you want?

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Were you with him in Lensdorf?

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Yes.

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Guten morgen.

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Good morning.

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I understand the parties have
finally reached an agreement.

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Madame, I want to point out that
the agreement we'’ve reached

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is based on the Austrian'’s
official recognition
of the Lensdorf Massacre.

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We certainly acknowledge
the possibility

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that an atrocious massacre of
that kind could'’ve taken place.

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Yoel?

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Madame...

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I have the evidence needed
to confirm the exact location
of the massacre.

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And who are you, sir?

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Dr. Halberstam.

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Oh...

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Excuse me,
I didn'’t recognize you.

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These are the names
of the Jews who were
massacred in Lensdorf.

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These people were sent
from Koszeg to Lensdorf
on the 24th of March, 1945.

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After that,
all trace of them was lost.

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This testifies to the identity
of the victims.

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It is signed by Podezin,
the local Gestapo officer.

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What is the source
of the document?

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This document was found
in a prayer book

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given to me by this survivor.

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This Kluger was sent
to dig a mass grave
and stole various documents

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that Podezin intended to burn.

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The Russian forces were only
10 kilometers away, and Podezin
wanted to cover the massacre.

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He picked a group of 10 men
out of the Jewish forced labor
in Lensdorf,

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they were sent to dig a mass
grave in the forest,

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north of the church.

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Aryeh Kluger, Josef Heller,
and Herman Burm
were in that group.

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What about the bones
in the southern field?

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The victims were not buried
in the southern field.

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Once the massacre was over
in the forest,

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these 10 men were sent
to cover the corpses.

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That'’s when Burm
and Heller escaped.

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The remaining eight were taken
to the southern field,

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where they were murdered.

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The Nazi'’s hardly
bothered to cover the bodies.

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Those were the eight bodies
the Russian investigator
testifies to in appendix B.

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And that'’s why we could not
find the 200 there.

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The question remains,
where is the mass grave?

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We know you didn'’t find it.
These are all false allegations.

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Madame...
this is the southern field.

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This is the location
of the mass grave.

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Mr. Burm knew that the grave
was located 1,247 steps

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north of the church.

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What he didn'’t know that
the church was bombed
at the end of the war

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and rebuilt
in a different location.

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We'’ve been digging
in the wrong place.

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This...
is the grave'’s actual location.

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I will review your
claims and reach a decision.

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This meeting is adjourned.